Luxottica controls, directly and indirectly, at most a few dozen brands. [â]Dr__Nick 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (8 children), "This isnât even getting into Walmart, Costco, Eyes, and other large retailers. And of course, I think this claim isnât substantiated. From shop TheAdAgency. That is a monopoly for me. You can get a membership refund anytime if you join and you're not putting it to use. Maui Jims, the Ferrari of sunglasses. I acknowledge that their current behaviour and role in the market place has a serious effect on the price of a high-end variant of an easily accessible commodity. Think RayBan and Chanel Sunglasses are still made of good quality? If you are interested in the growing network of CMV-related pursuits, check out changemyview.net. These sites sell perfectly serviceable frames and lenses (Iâve bought from a few myself), and theyâre reasonably stylish (albeit Iâm not that aware of fashion, but come on a frame is a frame). If there were no companies producing eyewear outside of Luxottica it would be a monopoly. You don't like transition lenses? Wu remarks that products in some industries seem to only get better and cheaper -- laptops, for example -- while other products, like eyeglasses, remain strangely pricey, with only superficial innovation. Why is maui jim awesome? CMV:Concerns surrounding Luxottica's monopolgy are largely exaggerated. Everyone forgets that a lens made of glass hardly ever scratch... 2 years later I have yet to find a scratch on the lens. Of course, this is an interesting figure because Iâm not sure if by âglassesâ theyâre referring to all forms of eyewear that include an external frame+lenses, or just prescription glasses, etc. More Detail. I can't remember where I heard the phrase "reassuringly expensive". I've spent no more than $130 for 5 pairs. Well, there are a multitude of websites that sell you glasses like warbyparker, clearlycontacts, glassesusa, zennioptical, smartbuyglasses, etc. [â]0k0k 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children). Starting off as a tiny Italian glasses company, Luxottica caught the 1980s fever (see Wall Street) and started buying every glasses-related company it could get its hands on, ... Max Martin Has a Monopoly on Annoying Songs. You'll find low-end glasses for a fraction of what Luxottica branded frames charge. Hell Clearlycontacts will give you free basic glasses, along with a whole bunch of other sites. Now, why is this problematic, well because they can either stifle innovation, raise prices to super-normal levels to exploit the consumer, etc. â¾. It would be like complaining about the markup on the price of Perrier water, when perfectly suitable tap water is easily accessible. maui jim was my next choice but for me i couldnt find a pair that fit my face correctly and didnt look like shit, and their twisty bendy ones didnt feel right even though the lens shape was correct. Owning design, sales, marketing, distribution, etc is called something else that escapes me. Do we say that even though high-end clothes/accessories/etc. The $9 pair looks like crap and was made from cheap plastic but there is absolutely no difference between the $13 pair and a $200 pair of glasses you'd get at a store. EDIT: Here are some interesting notes. Jesus that was badly written but I hope I get my points across. Luxottica is a vertically integrated company that designs, manufactures, distributes, and retails its own eyewear brands. I disagree with this. I have 3 pairs I got from Costco. Or you can find instances where some innovative company came up with some innovative new way of doing things and then Luxottica squeezed them out through a combination of a control of market share and predatory pricing. They seem to have a monopoly in the high-end eyewear industry, which is what I said in my OP. The lens just might be thicker. But let's pretend that it's totally true for the sake of argument. Well-respected optician by day, /u/Lemonfarty the informative redditor by night. Walk into your local Vision Center or Costco Optical, or use whatever website. I just saw this video: and the first thing i thought was: they are a monopoly. It was just as easy for me to just drive there and buy a bunch of stuff as it was to drive anywhere else. What brand/vendor would you recommend with similar styles based on price? /u/DeltaBot will maintain delta counts in user flair, wiki pages for each user's delta history, record deltas in /r/DeltaLog, and update deltaboards where necessary. I think youâre ignoring when Vision Centers and other alternatives opened and were quite well known. But thatâs not because of monopolistic features, its because of the type of consumeristic, brand-obsessed culture that exists. Itâs a combination of the type of culture that values branding and the successful marketing that Luxottica has been able to do. Why are transitions lens garbage? Yes, I always used it when I was a bachelor. Clothing is a similar baseline good to eyewear, and the prices in the non-premium market has gotten lower and the quality has increased (I think? Market monopoly: Luxottica, a 'little-known but very big Italian company' appears to have gained total domination over the world's eyewear production. We didn't buy glasses that came anywhere close to $50. Please report cases of delta abuse/misuse, accidental deltas, and failed delta attempts. Ray bans used to cheap sunglasses until bought by luxotica. My point is that Luxottica doesnât have control of the entire market. Oakley used to make an amazing product, the price was pretty high but not obscene. Maui Jim is one of the few products I found made in Japan. What is the "it" you're referring to when you wrote "it certainly can be exploitative." It's over here. Transcript Expand. This isnât even getting into Walmart, Costco, Eyes, and other large retailers. Otherwise, weâre going to have to start thinking about whether or not all high-end variants of commodities whose markup largely comes from the brand is guilty of exploitative practices. Right, but that point you're making has, as its larger purpose, the goal of establishing that Luxottica's total markups are at least somewhat reasonable. Heâs comparing the prices of the premium eyewear industry with the broad market of laptops, or whatever general market. Thanks! Name brands are not the best. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 29277 on r2-app-05a6b471df4db3559 at 2021-01-06 11:24:27.190105+00:00 running 15b6a67 country code: PL. I'm simply stating that the markup for the frames they sell is around 2-3 times, according to the Snopes article and the 60 minutes piece, of the wholesale price. Itâs true that Luxottica charges a huge markup from their wholesale to retail prices (2 to 3 times according to what Iâve read). "Appearance of variety is an optical illusion." Luxottica acquired Oakley a few years later, adding it to Ray-Ban, which Luxottica obtained in 1999. âThatâs how they gained control of so many ⦠â¾, Comments that are only links, jokes, or "written upvotes" will be removed. Can I do that with a bifocal scrip? As I do point out, this was during a different period in time (you might not have seen the edit though). etc. My parents never bought me any brand name products. But that has little bearing on the question of whether the existence of Luxottica as it stands today in the USA is a monopoly or exploits those people who need glasses and can't afford to buy Luxottica glasses through their markups. Always buy polarized. Are polarized lenses in sunglasses worth it? I've always greatly enjoyed mine. Luxottica Group SpA (ADR) (NYSE: LUX) shares are up 8.4 percent on Tuesday after the company announced a nearly $49 billion merger with Essilor International SA ⦠Can confirm the 90% markup. Im going to be vague to protect myself but i work at a eyewear distribution company and we use the exact same factories in china as luxottica does. The point being, that there are a wide variety of alternative retailers that Luxottica doesn't have a stranglehold on. Why is Luxottica not considered a monopoly? Go Peoria! According to Wikipedia âIn January 2017, Luxottica announced a merger with Essilor. Whether you're the OP or not, please reply to the user(s) that change your view to any degree with a delta in your comment (instructions below), and also include an explanation of the change. Another optician here, the only brands we carry are luxottica (Tiffany, dolce & gabana, vogue, prada, ray bans), marchon (nike, flexon, valentino, ferragamo, michael Kors), Safilo ( carrera, georgio armani, emporio armani, boss, dior, hugo, gucci, kate spade, juicy couture, marc jacob), oakleys, and Maui Jims. Point is that, I didnât intend to the make the point you made. The whole problem is that the companies that would have been doing the innovating didn't exist. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure about that. Luxottica Monopoly. This is relatively old information and Luxottica isn't doing quite as well anymore. Do they set prices for the entire market or just a premium segment? According to Forbes, Luxottica controls 80% of the major brands in the global eyeglass industry, Note: if your view is about a "double standard", please see the, You must personally hold the view and demonstrate that you are open to it changing.â¾, A post cannot be made on behalf of others, for playing devil's advocate, as any entity other than yourself, or to "soapbox". People find the deceptive illusion of choice they create creepy. They don't. While I think they're wrong, they've made a serious attempt to engage with me and my points. And Luxottica is a vertical monopoly (for all practical purposes), but you can find lots of much better independent lines that the celebs are wearing. CMV: Jakob Blake was not innocent and deserved to be shot. Like lenses that don't distort/exclude peripheral vision.That's probably a mix of truth and branding mythos. I mean literally the factories that make frames that retail for $400 is the exact same factory that makes frames we sell at marshalls for $12. The first part of your claim was addressed above- they may have had that power once, but not anymore. Maybe then it's fair to say that Luxottica has a monopoly in the high-end market of âsunglasses, spectacle frames, prescription frames.â Iâm willing to grant this. And don't pay to have the edges beveled. But thatâs fine, after all, a reasonable way to understand what the relevant market consists of is to ask whether the goods are substitutable. I also read the page it sends you to when you press the âcontrols 80% of the major brandsâ link (fifth paragraph). Oakley used to sell sunglasses manufactured in USA, but they are now made in China, just like everything else. This post has the list of brands that I used to check. It's probably true that some of the glasses/sunglasses they sell do cost at least 10 times the cost of production. 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